Akkadian Cylinder Seal VA/243

Planet X / Nibiru: An analysis of Akkadian Seal VA/243

July 27th, 2013

The Akkadian cylinder seal pictured above dates from the third millennium B.C. (it’s at least 4500 years old) and can be found at the State Museum in East Berlin catalogued under VA/243. It’s one of the most ancient cylinder seals that have been found. It shows the god Enlil granting the plow — the knowledge of agriculture — to humankind. Also interesting on this seal is what is said to be a depiction of our solar system in the top left. You can see eleven globes surrounding what appears to be the sun. Author Zecharia Sitchin spent a number of pages in his book “The 12th Planet” discussing and analyzing this depiction. Sitchin contends that this depiction shows our solar system with the various heavenly bodies in their relative sizes. We can see the 9 planets we know of today (assuming Pluto is also a planet), the moon (ancient civilizations also held our moon to be a planet), the sun and a 10th planet that we have yet to locate.

Critics disagree with Sitchin. Ancient language scholar Michael S. Heiser, for example, writes that the symbol looking like the sun in the middle isn’t the sun at all but a star. The globes surrounding it are also stars according to Heiser. He also says that there’s no evidence that points to the fact that the Sumerians knew about more than 5 planets in our solar system. ¹

The obvious question that comes to mind is that if the objects depicted are all stars, then why is the one in the middle depicted differently with rays coming out of it? Not only that, but why are the globes surrounding it depicted in different sizes? Is that just by chance, or was it done on purpose to show the relative sizes of the planets like Sitchin argues in his book?

I decided to compare the relative sizes of the globes depicted on the cylinder seal with the sizes of the planets in our solar system to see if they matched. And it appears that they do and that they were indeed drawn to scale. Not only that, but based on this knowledge we can gain some insights about the 10th planet in our solar system, often referred to as Planet X (or according to Sitchin called “Nibiru” — an astronomical body mentioned in Mesopotamian texts).

I used two different images with the cylinder seal on them, just so I could compare the results between them and see if it was reasonably accurate. It’s very difficult to be precisely accurate with such small and blurry images. Not only that, but the globes on the seal themselves apparently are not perfectly round and don’t have precise and hard edges. I used the image of the seal at the beginning of this post, in addition to the image below featuring Sitchin.

Zecharia Sitchin with an enlarged Seal VA/243

First I decided to cut out the relevant piece of the cylinder seal and enlarged it. Then I overlaid the globes with circles that could more precisely be measured and numbered them. The circles I placed above the globes cover each globe starting with the highlight all the way to the shadow side. After doing that I ended up with the images below.

VA/243 Fig1

VA/243 Fig2

You can download an Adobe Photoshop .PSD file here with these images in layers, so you can switch the visibility of the circles I placed on or off.

After this I put the numbers of the globes in an Excel sheet and measured their width in pixels. I then ended up with the following two tables.

Diameters

Next I decided to change the order of the globes in the tables based on their diameters. In the above image they are ordered based on the numbers I had given them. In the below image you can see that they are now ordered based on the size of their diameters, from smallest at the top to the largest at the bottom.

Diameters

By ordering them this way, I expected to be able to match them to the planets in our solar system based on the order of their sizes. I then looked up the diameters of all the planets in our solar system, the sun and moon, and put them in another table, ordered by their diameters starting with the smallest on top and the largest at the bottom.

Diameters in reality

You’ll note that I also placed Planet X in the table with a diameter that’s estimated based on indications by astrophysicists who said that Planet X, when it is found, could be 4 times the size of Jupiter. ²

By placing all these tables next to each other, we can start to see which heavenly body corresponds to which number in Fig1 and Fig2 on each row. So for example, Pluto is probably body #1 in Fig1 and Fig2, the moon is body #11, and so on.

Diameters compared

The names of the heavenly bodies can now be placed on the image as seen below.

VA/243 Fig2

Now to be able to compare their relative sizes more easily I calculated the log (base 10) of all the diameters and put them in a separate column. Logarithms make it easy to scale large values into smaller values for comparisons:

Logarithmic scales reduce wide-ranging quantities to smaller scopes. […] Logarithmic scales are useful for quantifying the relative change of a value as opposed to its absolute difference. […] Presentation of data on a logarithmic scale can be helpful when the data covers a large range of values. The use of the logarithms of the values rather than the actual values reduces a wide range to a more manageable size. […] Logarithms occur in definitions of the dimension of fractals. Fractals are geometric objects that are self-similar: small parts reproduce, at least roughly, the entire global structure.

So how do the log10 values of the diameters compare visually? If we put the log10 (S1) values of the diameters as they are in reality and the log10 (S2) values of the diameters from Fig1 in a stacked line chart in Excel, we get the following:

Reality VS Fig1

You can already see the relationship between the values in S1 and S2 in the above chart. There appears to be a relationship between the scales of the globes on the cylinder seal and the heavenly bodies in reality. I decided to put the S2 values on their own separate vertical axis on the right.

Reality VS Fig1

In the above chart the S2 values now have their own axis on the right, while the S1 values have the left axis. But as you can see, the range of these two vertical axis do not correspond to each other so it makes comparisons of relationships between the S1 and S2 values more difficult. So next I decided to match the range of both vertical axis. I did that by matching the beginning of each axis with the smallest value in the series, and the maximum value of each axis with the maximum value in the series. So the smallest value in the S1 series became the beginning value of the left axis, and the biggest value of the S1 series became the maximum value on the left axis. The same goes for the S2 series and its axis on the right.

Reality VS Fig1

After matching the range of values on the left and right axis with each other, I got the above chart, which shows an almost exact match in relationship between the diameter scales of the S1 and S2 series. Eventually I did the same for Fig2 and put the S1 and S3 series in a separate chart, which showed the same relationship.

Reality VS Fig2

All of this could have been done much simpler, without the extra steps of manually calculating the log10 values of the diameters, by simply basing the chart on the actual diameter values themselves while making the scales on both the vertical axis logarithmic (base 10). You end up with the same results as shown below.

Reality VS Fig1

You can download a Microsoft Excel file here which includes the above tables and the charts.

So the big question now is: Is this just coincidence?

Can it be just mere coincidence that the relative sizes of all of the 12 globes on cylinder seal VA/243 happen to closely match with the relative sizes of the heavenly bodies in our solar system on a logarithmic scale? Can it be just mere coincidence that the diameters of the globes on the cylinder seal happen to be chosen so perfectly relative to each other and to scale, to closely match the dimensions in reality? Or must we conclude that the artist who drew the globes most likely made a conscious decision to draw them in their relative sizes based on the knowledge he had? What are the odds that this could happen just by chance — that the artist just randomly placed 12 globes on the cylinder seal that just happen to be almost precisely to scale compared to our solar system?

If what I’ve shown above is correct, then it leads to the following conclusions:

Zecharia Sitchin was right to point out that the globes on the cylinder seal VA/243 depict our solar system.
Sitchin was wrong about which of the globes represented which planet, as described by him in his book The 12th Planet.
Michael S. Heiser is wrong on this subject. The globes are indeed the planets in our solar system and the one in the center is the sun.
Apparently the Sumerians knew about our complete solar system all the way back in the 3rd millennium B.C. Not only did they know how many planets there were, but they also knew their relative sizes (possibly even their exact sizes). And if Sitchin is correct they also knew details such as the colors and compositions of the planets.
Apparently the Sumerians knew how to use some form of logarithmic scaling to be able to depict the planets in their relative sizes very close to accurate. Rather than linearly scaling the solar system down to a smaller size in the drawing — which would have made certain planets so small in relation to the sun they’d be hard to see — they did it logarithmically. A clever solution. It’s a smaller fractal representation of the whole. And we do in fact live in a fractal universe after all, as the ancients were well aware of.
Apparently the Sumerians thought that Pluto is indeed a planet. If it’s not Pluto then it has to be a heavenly body the size of Pluto that they found significant enough to include.
It’s not clear to me why the artist chose the positions he did for all the planets. If the relative sizes were done on purpose, it’s likely that the positions were also chosen on purpose.
The question that needs to be asked is how could they know all of this? If they didn’t develop all of this knowledge themselves, where did they get it from? Could they really have gotten it from the Anunnaki “gods” like they claim in their writings? (The Anunnaki “gods” are an ancient race of advanced beings who came from the heavens to Earth and eventually created humankind through genetic engineering according to the Sumerians). Even on seal VA/243 we can see the Anunnaki god Enlil granting the knowledge of agriculture to humans. In the same way they could have gotten other knowledge as well, including that of our solar system.
If the Sumerian depiction of our solar system is accurate, then what else is? Could it be that everything they wrote about is accurate and based on (scientific and historical) fact? Certainly Sitchin, who spent most of his life researching this, thought so.
It appears that it’s highly likely that Planet X (or Nibiru) exists and that astrophysicists John Matese and Daniel Whitmire could be proven correct with regard to the estimated size of the planet. As can be seen in the charts above, the relative estimated size in reality of Planet X comes very close to the scaled version from the cylinder seal.

As a writer from the Huffington Post rightfully asks: If we’ve missed a planet in our own solar system for this long, what else are we missing?

Perhaps it’s time that we start paying more attention to all these ancient writings in order to see what we can learn from them. Scientists, in all their arrogance, have continued to downplay the significance of these ancient writings, often dismissing them as “myths.” But as others, such as Sitchin, have pointed out, the ancients didn’t waste so much of their time writing hundreds of clay tablets and making cylinder seals just to write down fantasy stories. They were recording history and preserving knowledge for future generations.

We like to think that we’re the height of human civilization; that we know it all and that ancient civilizations were primitive and believed in made up gods. But a lot of the knowledge and technology we think is new today is just being rediscovered and reinvented. This fact will continue to become more apparent in the future. Meanwhile, if you’re a smart scientist, and especially if you are in the field of genetics, you’ll want to study the Sumerian writings for any clues you can find.

Updates

Update 7/1/2013

It appears that one of the most brilliant scientists in our history, Sir Isaac Newton, also thought that ancient civilizations knew a lot more about our solar system than we do. During his private research, Newton went back to as many classical sources (Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Babylonian, Chaldean etc.) as he could possibly find. He found out that these ancient people already knew a lot of what we consider to be relatively new discoveries today. For example, Newton alleged that those ancient cultures had always known that the Earth travelled around the sun and that they understood the invisible force that shaped the universe. He believed that they all shared one scientific religion at first until “the nations corrupted it.” For more details, see the BBC documentary “Isaac Newton: The Last Magician.” You should be able to find it on YouTube.

Update 28/1/2014

I recently published a post on Exponential Growth in the Fractal Universe where I also discuss seal VA/243.

Footnotes

On his website, Heiser writes:

In the discussion that follows, I will demonstrate that VA243 in no way supports Sitchin’s ideas. My reasons / lines of argument for this are:

1) The inscription on the seal says nothing about astronomy, Nibiru, or planets.

2) The alleged “sun” symbol on the seal is not the sun. We know this for sure because it does not conform to the consistent depiction / symbology of the sun on hundreds of other cylinder seals, monuments, and pieces of Sumero-Mesopotamian art.

3) There is not a single text in any extant Sumero-Mesopotamian text that says the Sumerians or Mesopotamians knew of more than five planets. There are a number of cuneiform tablets that deal with astronomy, all of which have been compiled and published. These sources are accessible to the reader, but at varying levels of difficulty (for a brief overview of these materials on this website, go to the Nibiru page / paper.

Check out his website for all the details. ↩︎
From the Independent:

The hunt is on for a gas giant up to four times the mass of Jupiter thought to be lurking in the outer Oort Cloud, the most remote region of the solar system. The orbit of Tyche (pronounced ty-kee), would be 15,000 times farther from the Sun than the Earth’s, and 375 times farther than Pluto’s, which is why it hasn’t been seen so far.

But scientists now believe the proof of its existence has already been gathered by a Nasa space telescope, Wise, and is just waiting to be analysed.

The first tranche of data is to be released in April, and astrophysicists John Matese and Daniel Whitmire from the University of Louisiana at Lafayette think it will reveal Tyche within two years. “If it does, John and I will be doing cartwheels,” Professor Whitmire said. “And that’s not easy at our age.”

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Whether it would become the new ninth planet would be decided by the International Astronomical Union (IAU). The main argument against is that Tyche probably formed around another star and was later captured by the Sun’s gravitational field. The IAU may choose to create a whole new category for Tyche, Professor Matese said.

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Professors Matese and Whitmire first proposed the existence of Tyche to explain why many of these long-period comets were coming from the wrong direction. In their latest paper, published in the February issue of Icarus, the international journal of solar system studies, they report that more than 20 per cent too many of the long-period comets observed since 1898 arrive from a band circling the sky at a higher angle than predicted by the galactic-tide theory.

The underlined part of the above quote is precisely what Sitchin suggested in his book The 12th Planet. ↩︎

Additional Notes

From an article published on The Independent, “Iraqi transport minister claims first airport was built 7,000 years ago in Iraq by ancient Sumerians” (October 2nd 2016):

An Iraqi minister has claimed that the ancient Sumerians travelled to Pluto in spaceships thousands of years ago.
Kazem Finjan, Iraq’s Transport Minister, told reporters in Dhi Qar, south Iraq, that the world’s first airport was built there in around 5,000 BC.
He said the ancient civilisation of Sumer, one of the oldest known societies, used the airport for space exploration and even discovered Pluto, according to news website The New Arab.
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It is believed that the Sumerians settled in the historical region of southern Mesopotamia, now south Iraq, in 5500 to 4000 BC, where they developed agriculture, trade and artisan skills such as weaving, metalwork and pottery.

The New Arab reported that Mr Finjan referred to the work of Russian professor and Sumerian expert Samuel Kramer, who studied the civilisation’s creation myths and wrote about their understanding of the solar system.

Added on October 4th, 2016 at 10:37 am
From Russia Today (RT), “Mysterious Planet 9 may be ‘twisting’ the solar system, scientists say” (October 21st 2016):

A planet, believed to be the ninth in our solar system, but which has remained mysteriously elusive to astronomers could be causing the “wobble” in our solar system that causes planets to move at a different angle to the sun, according to new research.

“Because Planet Nine is so massive and has an orbit tilted compared to the other planets, the solar system has no choice but to slowly twist out of alignment,” lead author of the study from Caltech Elizabeth Bailey said in a statement.

All planets in our solar system (excluding the hypothetical Planet 9) move around the sun on the same plane, but this plane differs by six degrees to the sun which is tilted from Earth’s perspective.

Planet 9, believed to be ten times the size of Earth, is theorised to orbit the sun at a distance 20 times farther than Neptune and at an even more extreme angle differing 30 degrees to the other planets. These factors could account for the solar system’s tilt as Planet 9’s extreme orbit causes “a multi-billion-year wobble to that system.”

“Mathematically, given the hypothesized size and distance of Planet Nine, a six-degree tilt fits perfectly” Mike Brown, Professor of Planetary Astronomy at Caltech who was involved in the study said in the statement.

The findings will be published in the Astrophysical Journal this month.

Note that they’re calling it Planet 9 instead of Planet 10 (or Planet X), because Pluto has been demoted recently from being a planet to being a “dwarf planet.”

Added on October 22nd, 2016 at 12:42 pm
From Phys.org, “Simulations suggest Planet Nine may have been a rogue” (January 12th, 2017):

Space researchers James Vesper and Paul Mason with New Mexico State University have given a presentation at this year’s American Astronomical Science meeting outlining the results of simulations they have been running to learn more about Planet Nine—a planet that many in the space science community believe exists far beyond Pluto. They presented evidence suggesting that if Planet Nine is out there, it is likely a rogue.

Planet Nine was first predicted to exist just two years ago, when a team of investigators noticed what appeared to be an unknown gravitational influence in the outer solar system. Since then, other researchers have also noticed gravitational influences consistent with a planet on the order of 10 times the size of Earth. Prior research has also suggested that if the planet does exist, it likely orbits the sun at approximately 1000 AU (the Earth resides at 1 AU).

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Space scientists have expressed a strong belief in recent months that Planet Nine will be confirmed soon, perhaps as early as next year as more effort is put into finding it.

Added on January 13th, 2017 at 7:13 pm
You might also want to check out Jim Branson’s analysis and thoughts on Akkadian Seal VA/243. As he mentions:

There is evidence that this image not only was perfectly executed but that it also contains information far beyond what we have command of today.

Added on August 7th, 2018 at 8:53 am
From The Guardian, “Dwarf planet ‘The Goblin’ discovery redefining solar system” (October 2nd 2018):

An extremely distant dwarf planet, named The Goblin, has been discovered in observations that are redefining the outer reaches of the solar system.

Astronomers made the discovery while hunting for a hypothetical massive planet, known as Planet Nine, that is suspected to be in orbit far beyond Pluto in a mysterious region known as the Oort Cloud. Planet Nine has not yet been seen directly, but The Goblin appears to be under the gravitational influence of a giant unseen object, adding to astronomers’ certainty that it is out there.

The newly discovered icy world, estimated to be just 300km across, is in an extremely elongated orbit. At its closest, it gets about two and a half times as far from the sun as Pluto. Then it heads off to the outermost fringes of the solar system, to almost 60 times further out than Pluto, taking an astounding 40,000 years to loop once around the sun. For 99% of its orbit, it would be too faint to see.

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Intriguingly the orbits of the three objects discovered so far appear to be clustered together, suggesting that they are being shepherded by a giant, unknown object. This has pointed astronomers to the existence of a ninth, super-Earth sized planet.

Konstantin Batygin, assistant professor of planetary science at Caltech, who has worked on theoretical simulations of the hypothetical Planet Nine, described the latest observations as a “great discovery indeed”.

“Despite centuries of surveys, our understanding of the solar system remains incomplete,” he said. “This certainly adds to the growing ledger of … objects that show Planet Nine’s influence.”

Added on October 3rd, 2018 at 8:14 am

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LEVI RONO July 30th, 2013 at 11:53 am

KAREL..GREAT ARTICLE!!

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Abert August 18th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

Karel,
Impressive. Hoe groot zijn de originele cylonders?

Albert

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- Karel Donk August 19th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
  
  Niet heel groot, ongeveer een inch in lengte.
  
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katesisco August 19th, 2013 at 11:31 pm

Wonderful article. As to how they knew this, I am wondering about two things; if our Earth then had a ‘water veil’ that acted as a magnifier, and the magnetic reversal of our sun ‘hung’ for a much longer time which meant that our unusual heliosheath would have been in place longer and the cosmic rays from the solar equator emitted far longer. Our planetary core far hotter, emitting much longer. Greenland now know to be extraordinarily thin lithosphere–I believe due to its pull toward the pole–and the area of the SSA now seen creating iron and magnesium perhaps due to transmutation of elements via the cloud top particle accelerators. The world we live in is different from theirs; we are hemispherically imperfect as is the sun.

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Ronny December 29th, 2015 at 6:46 pm

Regarding your question “It’s not clear to me why the artist chose the positions he did for all the planets. If the relative sizes were done on purpose, it’s likely that the positions were also chosen on purpose.”

I am not an astronom, so I cannot find out this myself – but can it be that the positions the planets are in happens from time to time, and such can be a timestamp for when this occured ?

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- Karel Donk December 29th, 2015 at 6:55 pm
  
  Yep definitely a possibility. I don’t think the positions of the planets were always like they currently are.
  
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Serge June 24th, 2016 at 7:44 am

Fantastic investigation! I think the reason why previous civilizations used clay tablets and stones to carve their knowledge on them / or tell us the history, is that can take thousands of years the displayed information vanishes from stones or clay. If they knew so much about our solar system, I could only imagine what type of technologies / gadgets they used to have. But for some reason, they preferred to make a storytelling on stones.

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Am September 9th, 2016 at 9:33 am

Hello Mr. Donk:

1) Has anyone tried to debunk YOUR analysis yet?
2) Why doesn’t anyone ever mention that lone dot to the right of the second figure that is depicted away from the other dots? Sure looks like another object to me, which would support the idea of a lone planet that swings around.
3) Did you try your diameter analysis using Saturn? What about Pleidis? I assume your data analsyis only works when applied to our solar system.

Thanks and regards…

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- Karel Donk September 9th, 2016 at 12:16 pm
  
  1) Not that I know of.
  2) That lone dot might indeed be something significant as well, but it’s probably an even bigger mystery to explain.
  3) I haven’t tried any other star systems. It would only make sense to try it on a star being orbited by 9 planets I think.
  
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Nibiru January 4th, 2017 at 2:28 pm

[IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/2zodw6p.png[/IMG]

Your Figure 2:

4 – Saturn –> or Nibiru
7 – old Pluto –> now destroy
11 – Moon –> or Mercury
10 – Earth –> or Venus
2 – Mercury –> or Earth
1 – Pluto –> or Moon
3 – Venus –> or Mars

etc…

Source:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/planeta12/12planeteng_07.htm
http://i66.tinypic.com/2zodw6p.jpg

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Nibiru January 4th, 2017 at 3:49 pm

Detail http://i64.tinypic.com/35hk4fo.jpg

There was yet another planet to be accounted for among these outer planets, the one we call Pluto. The “Epic of Creation” has already referred to Anu as “Anshar’s firstborn,” implying that there was yet another planetary god “born” to Anshar/Saturn.

The epic catches up with this celestial deity later on, when it relates how Anshar sent out his emissary GAGA on various missions to the other planets. Gaga appears in function and stature equal to Apsu’s emissary Mummu; this brings to mind the many similarities between Mercury and Pluto.

Gaga, then, was Pluto; but the Sumerians placed Pluto on their celestial map not beyond Neptune, but next to Saturn, whose “emissary,” or satellite, it was.

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Dylan Stephens September 13th, 2017 at 1:47 am

Thanks for this. I so believed Stichin and then after reading Michael S. Heiser, I was ready to give up the Anunnaki. Now I can believe again! Stichin mind was similar to Dr. Barbara Theiring in its ability to put all the pieces together about Jesus living to age 78. See my site https://www.pesherofchrist.com/

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Marigold September 20th, 2017 at 10:53 am

Is the original seal displayed in the Pergamon museum in Berlin?

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- Karel Donk September 20th, 2017 at 11:00 am
  
  It should be in the Vorderasiatisches Museum in Berlin. At least, that’s what I’ve been able to find online. I’ve not been there myself.
  
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Contractions of Fate May 4th, 2018 at 2:47 pm

They do not match, not at all. The “Sun” and the minor planets are VASTLY too small. I have no idea how you could think this analysis is accurate.

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- Karel Donk May 4th, 2018 at 8:37 pm
  
  There is a reason for its size. Read the post carefully.
  
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Albert Ou January 9th, 2020 at 4:18 am

Very comprehensive study, nice article. About the positions of the planets, could it be a mage capture from outer space, as a bird view, with certain angle at certain date/time? Just my very wild thought….

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- Albert Ou January 9th, 2020 at 4:19 am
  
  Sorry, typo. “image”, not “mage”
  
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Jamie Schumacher October 25th, 2020 at 4:15 pm

This image struck me odd because if they knew so much about the solar system why is there no asteroid belt? Sitchin writes that Planet X travels past Neptune and Uranus causing disturbances in their rotations, goes by Saturn screws that up somehow, gets close to Jupiter and sends one of Jupiter’s moons out of its orbit. That moon was Gaga.
Gaga travels past Uranus and Neptune (to tell those two “children” the message from Jupiter that Marduk aka Planet X is going to fight Tiamat) and ends up in its own weird orbit becoming what we know as the planet Pluto. Then planet X Nears the planet Tiamat and smashed into her, and she’s cracked…and part breaks off and that part is now Tiamat’s moon…Planet X leaves for 3600 years to smash into her again, cutting her in half…half of it is the astroid belt and the other half get flung into a new orbit which is our earth and Tiamat’s moon, stays with her becoming OUR Luna.
The scroll shows Planet X…Pluto, the moon and yet no asteroid belt? They would have told this story to the humans and ive always thought there were too many planets, unless we are seeing some other moons. But your numbers don’t match that.

When I looked at this (as a child in the 80’s) I always thought that one of the orbs was the planet Tiamat and Planet X was on its approach for the final blow, represented by the orb in between the human and the sickle.

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- Contractions of Fate October 25th, 2020 at 6:29 pm
  
  I also read Shyte-in-My-Eye-A Shitsin’s crap as a child, but in the 70s.
  
  But then I finished school and got a University education and realised absolutely everything he wrote was utter crap. He could not even read Sumerian and invented the entire thing. It bears no relation to Enuma Elish or any other cuneiform literary or religious texts.
  
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  - Jamie Schumacher October 25th, 2020 at 7:50 pm
    
    Hush, I wasn’t talking to YOU. I’m trying to have an adult conversation.
    So we have to deal with random know it alls here too, lol.
    
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    - Contractions of Fate October 25th, 2020 at 8:16 pm
      
      No, you’re trying to have a Brain-dead Retard conversation with people lower than Flat Earth level Potato.
      
      The reason that there is no asteroid belt is because seal VA243 does not represent the solar system and is absolutely not to scale in any way at all.
      
      If you had ever studied Assyriology, or Astronomy, you would know this, especially if you had learned the languages.
      
      >:8o
    - J October 27th, 2020 at 2:18 am
      
      I’d love to learn what you have come up with from your transcriptions if the cuneiform tablets. I mean you are an “ educated” man.
      You people are hilarious to me. Squinting behind your devices going to great lengths to try and insult strangers, trashing the work of people who are obviously smarter and better than you or you wouldn’t waste your precious tine and their work while successfully making yourself look like a piece of shit. It’s sad to see, you have my pity.
Haha October 27th, 2020 at 2:20 am

By the way, in the conversation I am TRYING to have with the person that wrote this piece…you are the retard. Had ya thought of that? Probably not

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Jéssica Milaré March 28th, 2021 at 8:37 pm

Karel, I just want to note that what you did was to find a calculation to produce a fixed series of numbers from another fixed series of numbers. Since the two series are sorted, that is not so hard – even if you take two randomly generated numbers. For instance, you could repeat the same process with supposing that the balls represent the 11 largest bodies of the Solar System, which would exclude Pluto and include Ganymede (satellite of Jupiter), Callisto (sat. of Jupiter) and Titan (sat. of Saturn). And you could do that with a calculation which is much simpler than computing the logarithm (which is simple with calculators, but much harder by hand).

This “make-fit” is always possible because of a known mathematical result in Information Theory (it’s possible to find a pattern in any random source).

Also, supposing Nibiru/PlanetX was this big and that it crosses the asteroid belt every 3.600 years, then it would have an orbit smaller (in average radius) than that of dwarf-planet Ceres. Therefore, Nibiru would not only be visible to the naked eye, but it would also even more visible than Venus.

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Jéssica Milaré March 28th, 2021 at 9:35 pm

Another note about the Planet 9 hypothesis. Note that it is supposed to have about 10 times the mass of the Earth. Therefore, if it exists, it is only 2 to 4 times larger (in radius) than Earth. Jupiter has 300 times the mass of the Earth and Saturn, 100 times. Its orbit radius would be twice the orbit of Pluto. Therefore, about 100 times smaller and 100 times farther away than Nibiru (as conceived by Sitchin).

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xy March 23rd, 2024 at 8:49 am

1) why would Sumerians depict planet sizes on log base?
2) why log10? Sumerian number system was not based 10.
3) if they new the planets, why would the put the Moon, which is NOT A PLANET? the knowledge that the Moon is not a planet (not revolving around the sun) is so simple and basic.

4) you did not find anything. you took 11 numbers, and 11 other numbers, then you chose a log10 conversion without any reason and your matching is still very bad. you would have the same result with quite a lot of other 11 numbers taken from somewhere else.

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- Karel Donk March 24th, 2024 at 4:45 am
  
  You might want to slowly and carefully read the article again.
  
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Fred September 28th, 2024 at 8:31 am

Regarding va/243 you have carried out a great deal of work here – but you have not mentioned the star or planet clearly shown between the seated figure and the standing figure – (it’s inline with his nose).
I have seen others who suggest that this is planet X.

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Sorin November 5th, 2024 at 7:06 pm

Great work. Ignore the idiots who are obviously afraid of having their world rocked.

If something is proportional, then it is proportional. Period. End of story. The base number system is irrelevant and that can be proven by loga(b) = logc(b) / logc(a). As a caution, that is only for proportion and not growth rate. If you intend to measure growth rate then it will not maintain the proportion because, well, the bases are different resulting in growth at different rates.

Ignore Heiser. He’s a fanatical Jew and any history or archeology that conflicts with the Hebrew narrative causes him to start frothing at the mouth until he falls over backwards and defecates and urinates on himself. Stitchin is correct. The word ‘elohim’ means gods in the plural. The fact that Modern Hebrew interprets it as god in the singular is illogical and anachronistic and it is not evidence.

Hebrew editors/copyists are known to amend, emend and delete info out of the texts. If we had the original E or P Texts we would see that Enki, Ningishzida and Ninhursag created humans. Circa 750 BCE the Hebrew copyist/editor would not have known who they were. He never met a Sumerian because the Sumerians had been dead and gone for 1,200 years and Sumer abandoned and uninhabited for 1,200 years. While Ninhursag had no counter-part in the Ugarit/Hebrew pantheon, he would not have realized that Enki (Yam) and Ningishzida (Kothar) did so he struck their names and replaced them with elohim — the ‘im suffix is plural — so the elohim said they created man in our (plural) image and our (plural) likeness.

By the way, Enki is the Akkadian name for the Sumerian EA. I’ll write it normally as “Ea” but the convention for Sumerian is CAPS so it’s actually NIN.GIS.ZI.DA (note the “s” has an “sh” sound). His Akkadian name was Nirah.

Did Heiser tell you how Ea is pronounced in Sumerian?

It’s pronounced Yeh-hua. In American/Canadian English it would sound like Yea-wah.

If you apply Grimms’ Law for vocalic glide shifts you can see how someone speaking Western Semitic languages would pronounce it Yah-weh.

Just sayin’.

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Sorin November 5th, 2024 at 7:46 pm

If you’re wondering why no one has ever found NE.BI.RU (Sumerian) or Nibiru (Akkadian) it’s because no one has ever looked for Nibiru.

Claiming to have looked for Nibiru is not the same thing as actually looking for Nibiru and NASA’s Straw Man claims are easily debunked.

The only authoritative sources on Nirbiru are the Sumerians and Akkadians. NASA is not an authority.

Several Sumerian/Akkadian texts state Nibiru comes from the constellation Hydra. Any 1st year astronomy student on the 1st day of class knows that Hydra is a southern constellation and therefore anything that comes from there is going to be inclined to the Plane of the Ecliptic and therefore have an orbit very much like Pluto’s which is inclined to the Plane of the Ecliptic by about 15°-17°.

Knowing that to be true, why would you look for Nibiru on the Plane of the Ecliptic like NASA did?

You would do that only if your goal was to guarantee you cannot find Nibiru so you can claim it does not exist.

What else do the Sumerians/Akkadians say? They say it has an orbital period of 3,600 years which is the 1st clue for any 1st year astronomy student that it’s orbit is highly elliptical and in fact, the Sumerians and Akkadians so state it is highly elliptical like a comet.

Knowing that to be true, why would you look for Nibiru in a circular (ellipsoidal) orbit?

You wouldn’t, unless your goal was to guarantee you can’t find it so you can claim it does not exist.

It’s very important to look at the methodology and if does not state explicitly they were looking for a celestial body inclined to the Plane of the Ecliptic with an highly elliptical orbit then you can reject it as just another Straw Man by useless “scientists.”

Nibiru will be in the vicinity of Earth in the year 2239. How do we know that? Because the Age of Taurus began in the year 3761 BCE. Contrary to popular belief, astronomical/astrological “ages” are not based on a fixed system of 2,190 years or whatever people are using. It’s based on the actual with of the constellation.

No, you cannot go to the International Ass-Clown Astronomers Union (IAU) website and look at their data.

The constellations remained unchanged for 7,000 years before the IAU started messing with them for absolutely no good reason but then that’s what people do when they’re drunk on power. You’ll have to rely on Greek astrology/astronomical texts and no you cannot use Ptolemy because he was a fraud (see Newton’s The Crimes of Claudius Ptolemy).

We know from several texts Ningishzida instructed the priest at Nippur to construct a 6,000 year calendar starting with the date of 3761 BCE and it ends in the year 2239 and if I’m not mistaken late summer on our calendar.

You might know that calendar as the Jewish Calendar and they claim it’s a perpetual calendar but don’t be fooled. It was not a perpetual calendar and they only made it so in the last couple of decades. If you do doubt there’s plenty of magazine and journal articles and books from the early 1900s, again in the post-WW I period and again in the post-WW II period that reproduce the calendar and it is clearly and unmistakably not a perpetual calendar because it has an end date.

If I’m in the ball-park with Nibiru’s velocity it should be on the edge of our solar system around 2140 and detectable and if technology improves maybe detectable a few decades earlier.

I would not want to be on Earth when that happens. You can read Ezekiel and Isaiah for a preview. I don’t think they had prophetic visions as much as they had copies of Sumerian/Akkadian texts or more likely Assyrian copies of Sumerian/Akkadian texts on which they based their prophetic “visions.”

If you doubt, do the math. Nirbiru’s orbital period is 3,600 years so 2239 – 3600 = 1361 BCE.

For those who don’t get it, you might want to read what the Incas and the Israelites had to say about a particular event that occurred some years prior to 1361 BCE.

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