Albert J. Nock on the origins of the State

January 31st, 2022

The idea that the State originated to serve any kind of social purpose is completely unhistorical. It originated in conquest and confiscation — that is to say, in crime. It originated for the purpose of maintaining the division of society into an owning-and-exploiting class and a propertyless dependent class — that is, for a criminal purpose. Albert J. Nock

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Nev Taylor January 31st, 2022 at 7:58 am

Karel, you dont want to change the system. If you did, you would be open to listening to ideas on how to change the system. Do you understand the concept of being a “negative campaigner”? How about the consequences? Why not instead of complaining about society, you actually did something about it to change it?

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- Karel Donk January 31st, 2022 at 8:06 am
  
  Why do you assume I do nothing?
  
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  - Nev Taylor January 31st, 2022 at 8:45 am
    
    I didnt say “you do nothing”, I said, “You dont want to change the system. If you did, you would be open to listening to ideas on how to change the system.”
    
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    - Karel Donk January 31st, 2022 at 9:03 am
      
      When you say:
      
      Why not instead of complaining about society, you actually did something about it to change it?
      
      That implies I’m not doing anything.
    - Nev Taylor January 31st, 2022 at 9:48 am
      
      No it doesnt. I can see that you have a website up, right? I wouldnt call that nothing … but how much of what you do, is really making an impact? … which is why I asked you, “Why not instead of complaining about society, you actually did something about it to change it?” In short, are you merely negative campaigning without a solution?
      And also, the latter half of my first comment should have been taken into context with with the first half, “You dont want to change the system. If you did, you would be open to listening to ideas on how to change the system.”
    - Karel Donk January 31st, 2022 at 1:22 pm
      
      Here you also make an assumption:
      
      If you did, you would be open to listening to ideas on how to change the system.
      
      Who says I’m not open to listening?
    - Nev Taylor January 31st, 2022 at 2:26 pm
      
      Well here is where I will make an assumption…
      My first email I wrote to you on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 7:29 AM, and you replied to that email on the same day @4:44PM, right?
      Today there was no issue for you to quickly respond to me through this message chain either, correct?
      If you are able to answer so quickly on all other matters, I can only assume that I will not hear back from you regarding the email I sent you 20 Jan 2022, 07:20AM (idea for system change).
    - Karel Donk February 1st, 2022 at 4:22 am
      
      I don’t have as much time available right now as you mentioned in your email and can’t sign an NDA.
    - Nev Taylor February 1st, 2022 at 8:55 am
      
      So let’s be clear, you DO have time to build a website to discuss politics, system change, etc … you DO have time to keep up with people on your website, regarding possible system change … you DO advocate deeply for system change … yet when pressed, you really DONT have enough time to actually begin the progress of creating any kind of system change?
      
      Hmmm and people wonder why there is never any system change in the world L~M~F~A~O~ It must be more profitable for Socialists to make websites to complain about capitalism, by the looks of things huh? Lots of Socialists out there with several various websites who are obtuse to collabouration (believe me, you are far from the first Socialist website Ive reached out to and have spoken with). Like myself maybe, dont you find it highly laughable when Socialists dream of a society where we all collabourate, when personally after several attempts similar to what Im doing here with yourself, I havent met a single Socialist YET actually willing to collabourate. Not even one, but I did have hope that you might be different.
      
      How is this possible?! How is it that capitalists collabourate so easily and Socialists cannot? Pretty much every capitalist I speak with, have no trouble in signing a NDA. What is your issue with it? In your first email reply to me you had indicated, “If you can share more about what you came up with I’m interested.” Should my take away then be that you are fine in stealing other people’s ideas?
      
      I maintain, “You dont want to change the system. If you did, you would be open to listening to ideas on how to change the system.”
    - Karel Donk February 1st, 2022 at 6:10 pm
      
      So let’s be clear, you DO have time to build a website to discuss politics, system change, etc … you DO have time to keep up with people on your website, regarding possible system change … you DO advocate deeply for system change … yet when pressed, you really DONT have enough time to actually begin the progress of creating any kind of system change?
      
      You don’t seem to realize that you’ve stated yourself how I am spending a lot of time “beginning the progress of creating system change”. I think you realize, and have seen, how difficult it is these days for anyone to openly and frankly discuss very controversial subjects online, and in my case without hiding behind a fake identity. I probably have at least 100 posts on this blog alone for which I could get ‘cancelled’. Yet I share them freely, without requiring an NDA. Very few people can do what I do, unfortunately. One of the things this world needs desperately is more people who are not afraid to find the truth, accept it, share it, and speak their mind.
    - Nev Taylor February 5th, 2022 at 9:22 am
      
      Ive been an anti-capitalist all my life. What you are doing is not new. In fact, its exactly what Socialists have been doing for way before my time. Moreover, I have watched decade after decade go by, continually meeting Socialists, much like yourself, that refuse to collabourate. Why is this? How is it that you believe that you are making more progress by individually blogging?? … no wonder why there is no change!
      
      “Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for Democratic Socialism” – George Orwell
      
      Even centuries pass, and still we cannot escape capitalism. Why?! I say its because people, much like yourself again, refuse to work together. Think about this …
      
      Every, every, Socialist event I have ever been to, offered me pamphlets on “What is Socialism?” or “The History of Socialism!” yada yada yada. So imagine, me at yet another Socialist get together, with a handful of pamphlets that Im going to dump at the first bucket, gabbing with Socialists about what Socialism is, and how it is better, all the while Im thinking to myself … 1) Im already a Socialist fcs loool~! Im not the one that needs convincing. 2) How will we escape capitalism to have Socialism? When I pose this question to Socialists, *crickets chirping*
      
      “Yet I share them freely, without requiring an NDA.” <- There is no need for you to acquire an NDA for mere coffee chit chat. On the other hand, I have been working out problems since the late 80s; decades of saving up minor ideas, compiled to form a much grander idea, everything put to paper all to answer the question … "How do we get out of capitalism?" Would you like to have a stab? Revolution maybe? Political overthrow? Other? Whatever your answer, let's stop talking about it, and fkn DO it!
      
      "One of the things this world needs desperately is more people who are not afraid to find the truth, accept it, share it, and speak their mind."
    - Karel Donk February 5th, 2022 at 10:34 am
      
      What makes you think I’m a ‘socialist’? More assumptions? What is your definition of ‘socialist’? I can’t be grouped together with others as a ‘capitalist’, ‘socialist’, ‘left’, ‘right’, you name it, because I have my own set of values which are based on The Universal Right to Life. When most people understand what that means, and live according to it, then we’ll start to make real progress, and no sooner.
    - Nev Taylor February 8th, 2022 at 7:54 am
      
      Look, I started with -> “Karel, you dont want to change the system. If you did, you would be open to listening to ideas on how to change the system.”
      
      Stop with the fkn coffee talk chit chat. Stop the tap dancing. Stop avoiding the very reason why Im posting to you here … why do you refuse to collabourate with others for system change?
      
      Answer me.
    - Karel Donk February 9th, 2022 at 5:16 am
      
      How do you know that I refuse to collaborate with others? Maybe I’m already doing that every day. Maybe you should just post your ideas online and put a link here so that I and everyone else can check it out.
    - Nev Taylor February 9th, 2022 at 8:16 am
      
      You didn’t answer me again. Why do you continue to beat around the bush like this? Why not just be honest and forthcoming? Quit fkn hiding behind this ‘you dont know me’ persona. Candidly speaking, you’re not collbourating with anyone, right?
      
      So please quit fkn tap dancing! Quit leading us down pointless conversation, and wasting time. If you were collabourating with others, you most likely would have mentioned it right off the bat to me, correct?
      
      Besides, out of the many people on the left wanting system change, nobody that I know of works with other people to accomplish it. NOBODY! Do you know of someone on the left with an anti-capitalist organization actually DOING something? If so, please point me to them, because I have some great ideas to add that I just dont want to post on some chit chat website. Im looking for DOers, not chit chatters! Im looking for an organization, not a coffee shop fcs.
      
      This is the biggest problem with the left, all talk and absolutely NO DO~! … same as this entire website. No different from the website I had up back in the late 90’s. It accomplished nothing, much the same as what is happening here. You’ll realize it when you’re 50, history unfortunately keeps repeating itself for the left.
      
      Rich capitalists and government organize to control us, the right organize out of fear, but the left much like what we have witnessed from yourself here, do jack-shit except for talk about possibilities and everyone has their own personal depiction of what they want their preferred system to be, without compromise. It’s all mere wish-thinking (like your dreamt up Universal Right to Life), because if we dont harness change together, none of it is ever going to fkn happen.
      
      Answer me, how are we going to harness change together, without collabouration?
    - Karel Donk February 10th, 2022 at 6:12 am
      
      You can start collaborating by posting the information you mentioned online without requiring an NDA.

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