My recent post about the Canon EOS 7D caused a bit of controversy on the Internet and it is not surprising considering that in that post I’m essentially showing that the EOS 7D, Canon’s supposedly latest and greatest APS-C sensor camera body, is offering worse image quality compared to the two year older model, the EOS 40D. This was my conclusion based on my discussion of dpreview’s review of the EOS 7D and some of their test data.
After posting my article about the EOS 7D, I notified people of the post and one of those people was Philip Askey, the guy who started dpreview before Amazon bought them some time ago. Shortly after sending my email to Askey, he replied demanding that I take down the sample images from dpreview which I included in my post about the 7D. You can see the email conversation that followed below:
From: Philip Askey
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 7:47 PM
To: Karel DonkPlease remove the copyright image quality crops from your blog post, you did not seek permission to reproduce these.
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From: Karel Donk
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:55 PM
To: ‘Philip Askey’Hi Philip,
Thank you for reading. I was hoping you guys would mention how the noise in 7D images was still worse compared to the 40D, like you did when you reviewed the 50D.
Also I use some of the crops to discuss the result of your published reviews and show how from your own reviews and samples, the 7D performs worse than the 40D, while also mentioning how you guys failed to mention in your own review that the 7D performs worse at low ISO compared to the D300s, as you can clearly see.
My use falls under fair use and that’s why i did not ask permission. But let me know if you think otherwise.Regards,
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From: Philip Askey
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:59 PM
To: Karel DonkKarel,
You clearly have an axe to grind against Canon and I’m not hear to have a conversation, we would compare the 7D to the 40D if it were the clear predecessor.
Your use of our numerous images does not fall under fair use. Please remove all these images immediately.
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From: Karel Donk
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:03 PM
To: ‘Philip Askey’Philip,
Can you explain to me why you think this is not fair use?
Thanks,
After my last email to Askey above, I didn’t hear from him again. However, after this email exchange I started contacting a few people to ask them for their opinion about my use of the images in my post. I was sure my use of the images fell under “fair use” but I still wanted to hear the opinion of others just to be absolutely certain that I wasn’t infringing on dpreview’s rights. As a photographer myself, I too would love to be able to protect my work, so I take such matters very serious. One of the people I contacted was Dan Heller, well known in the photography business community online, he has written about many similar topics in the past. We started a very insightful email discussion on the subject, and Dan basically confirmed my “fair use” argument.
In case you’re not familiar with “fair use” of content, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) has the following to say about it:
The public’s right to make fair use of copyrighted works is a long-established and integral part of US copyright law. Courts have used fair use as the means of balancing the competing principles underlying copyright law since 1841. Fair use also reconciles a tension that would otherwise exist between copyright law and the First Amendment’s guarantee of freedom of expression. The Supreme Court has described fair use as “the guarantee of breathing space for new expression within the confines of Copyright law”.
3. How Do You Know If It’s Fair Use?
There are no clear-cut rules for deciding what’s fair use and there are no “automatic” classes of fair uses. Fair use is decided by a judge, on a case by case basis, after balancing the four factors listed in section 107 of the Copyright statute. The factors to be considered include:a. The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes — Courts are more likely to find fair use where the use is for noncommercial purposes.
b. The nature of the copyrighted work — A particular use is more likely to be fair where the copied work is factual rather than creative.
c. The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole — A court will balance this factor toward a finding of fair use where the amount taken is small or insignificant in proportion to the overall work.
d. The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work — If the court finds the newly created work is not a substitute product for the copyrighted work, it will be more likely to weigh this factor in favor of fair use.4. What’s been recognized as fair use?
Courts have previously found that a use was fair where the use of the copyrighted work was socially beneficial. In particular, U.S. courts have recognized the following fair uses: criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, research and parodies.
Based on the criteria in point 3 above, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with my use of some of dpreview’s images as I did in my post about the EOS 7D. Especially considering the fact that I was mainly criticizing dpreview’s review of the 7D (they worded the review in such a way to make the 7D look positive at times) and using their own data to show what I feel that they failed to mention about the 7D (that it offers worse image quality compared to the Nikon D300s from ISO 100 – 1600 and worse compared to the EOS 40D at all ISOs).
But the next day, after I sent my last reply to Askey, I get the following email from a lawyer at Amazon:
From: Radliff, Lynn
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:36 PM
To: Karel Donk
Cc: Sheehan, Kathryn
Subject: Cease & DesistDear Karel Donk:
I am Associate General Counsel for Litigation and Regulatory Matters for Amazon.com, which owns dpreview.com. It has recently come to our attention that you are using dpreview.com’s copyrighted material in your blog posts, specifically http://blog.kareldonk.com/canon-eos-7d-review-noisier-than-40d/, in connection with Karel Donk In My Opinion. Your use of this content is unauthorized by dpreview.com and infringes dpreview.com’s intellectual property rights. The purpose of this e-mail is to demand that you immediately cease using or otherwise infringing dpreview.com’s copyrighted content and related rights. dpreview.com would prefer to resolve this matter amicably with your cooperation. However, dpreview.com needs your written assurance that you are willing to immediately cease and desist from any and all use of dpreview.com’s intellectual property, including any images and content from the dpreview.com web site.
We look forward to hearing from you, and ask for your written response by Friday, November 13, 2009 to indicate your position on this matter. If we do not hear from you by this date, we will take those further steps that we believe are necessary to protect our rights.
Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.Kathryn Sheehan
As you can see, they wanted me to assure ”that you are willing to immediately cease and desist from any and all use of dpreview.com’s intellectual property, including any images and content from the dpreview.com web site.” This would mean that I could not even quote some of their review text so that I could comment on it or criticize it. And of course this would severely limit me in exercising my right to free speech, so I couldn’t possibly agree with this. In addition, there was nothing wrong with my use of the dpreview images in the first place. So I replied as follows:
From: Karel Donk
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:03 PM
To: ‘Radliff, Lynn’
Subject: RE: Cease & DesistHi Kathryn,
In my blog post, which you mention in your email, I am discussing, among other things, the review done by DPReview of the EOS 7D. I quote part of their findings from the review, and offer my own comments and criticism on their review. I have included browser screenshots of their review images (not the original images) from the review which were relevant to my comments, to support my comments and criticism to show that THEIR OWN images show things that I feel they failed to mention in their review.
I believe that this is “fair use” of the material. I would not be able to discuss their review and make my points if I could not quote some of their text and show SCREENSHOTS of SOME of their images, and my comments and criticism would not be possible.
If you think this is not fair use, please let me know and also let me know why you think it is not, so I can consider taking the images down if I see that I am in fact infringing on dpreview.com’s rights.
Regards,
I have yet to receive a response from them on my last email above. Dan Heller later told me that he thought I used way too many words in my reply, and that an email asking the following would have been enough:
Explain to me why you feel my use of the images doesn’t meet the four criteria established by the courts in fair use assessments.
And I couldn’t agree more. Short, powerful and to the point.
I thought this information might be useful to many people out there, as the use of copyrighted images on blogs is an often discussed topic on the Internet, and I think it’s going to be discussed a lot more often in the future as more people discover the Internet and start blogging. Certain use of copyrighted images on your blog is certainly permitted as long as you keep the “fair use” guidelines in mind. But I’ll leave it to experts like Dan Heller to talk about this subject more in-dept.
Update January 23, 2010:
There’s a nice article at Black Star Rising about understanding fair use. Check it out.
Die gasten maken zo te zien geen grappen om mensen bang te maken met hun advocaten, maar is goed dat je voet bij stuk houdt
Naja, veel succes hiermee, en hopelijk vallen ze je niet meer lastig.
Karel, it doesn’t surprise me that Amazon is trying to push you around. I’m glad to see that you’re standing up to them. It looks like Phil Askey doesn’t want his reviews reviewed! The bias and falsehoods in the review of the 7D on dpreview are really obvious to anyone with a clue. I’m sure that the big ad campaign on dpreview by Canon, at the time of the 7D review’s publication, has a LOT to do with the way the review was worded. Money talks. The 7D may be the most overrated, over-hyped camera Canon has ever produced.
The whole truth
http://dpreviewsucks.blogspot.com/
I’m sorry, but taking something that isn’t yours is stealing, plain and simple. Also, are those links to services that you provide and get paid for at the top of your blog? That means this blog can be considered a commercial effort since it’s readers may see your links, then buy and pay for your services. This clearly breaks the first rule of fair use.
According to Wikipedia:
Fanboy is a term originating in the United States…, used to describe a male who is highly devoted and biased in opinion towards a single subject or hobby within a given field. The earliest known recorded use is dated 1919.
Fanboy-ism is often prevalent in a field of products, brands or universe of characters where very few competitors (or enemies in fiction, such as comics) exist.
The shoe seems to fit perfectly in your attitude toward anything Canon. So apparently you shoot Nikon? So what??? What brand soap do you use? Why not rant about that?
And I agree that your site is commercial in nature and you are simply trying to hide under a cloak of false journalism. Did you happen to mention to your legal friends that your site is selling services? It is obvious you aren’t quite sure what role you are actually playing: photographer, designer, programmer, journalist, fanboy. L
I’m just as passionate about both, make that all three sides of copyright, my own, Public Domain, and Fair Use. If you were reviewing a review, making critical commentary, and as much making criticism about the pictures, it’s a pretty clear call on Fair Use. It sounds like they’re trying to use intimidation. You can of course happily comply, simply changing your review to include links back to their pictures. Not a damn thing they could do about that. And as for the text, as long as you weren’t using substantial amounts of text, I think they’re just blowing smoke rings.
Btw, I spent a little time over at DPReview earlier this year while sidelined and recovering from an accident. I can say that I found the overall tenor in some of the forum discussions more aggressive or hostile than many other forums I’ve come across in my day.
Cheers, Stand tall, & Happy Holidays,
Gary.
“Also, are those links to services that you provide and get paid for at the top of your blog? That means this blog can be considered a commercial effort since it’s readers may see your links, then buy and pay for your services. This clearly breaks the first rule of fair use.”
Ha !
Perhaps you need to do some reading about Fair Use. Commercial benefit does not exclude Fair Use.
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-c.html
Purchased a new EOS 5D Mark II earlier this year thinking I was getting a great camera. Being a 35 year professional motorsports photog, boy was I disappointed! I couldn’t find a situation where the 5D functioned consistently. In fact after shooting several events manually, I found my “in-focus” hit ratio was actually higher! I’ve sold it recently but was wondering if you have problems with the 50D? My old EOS1D Mark II N’s are still my favorites.
Let me know,
Roz Rosintoski
Motorsports Photography
Karel, you don’t have to copy images or content from dpreview.com or anybody else. You just need to *link* to the images. To demonstrate, I’ve written a post that illustrates how the 40D is better than all the latest DSLRs from Canon and Nikon:
http://richard-eng.blogspot.com/2010/02/canon-40d-noise-levels.html
There is no way anybody can complain. The Internet is all about linking (or embedding). As long as you leave the content on the original site, the ‘fair use’ principle doesn’t even apply.
(Of course, your links will break if the originating site decides to ‘move’ the content!)
Best Regards.
Hi,
How is the Canon 50d? Is it better than the 40d? It seems difficult to find a 40d nowdays. Also, is the 50d good at quick focusing and low light situations? What about image sharpness? Thanks.
Darren
Thanks for the reply. Actually, i would like a camera that allows fast auto focusing even in low light, sharp images, .and somewhat decent fast action like sports if possible. How about some Nikon ones. I’ve always been impressed with some images that my friends have taken with Nikons. Any Nikon that you can mention that is comparable to 7D or better? Thanks again.
I think DPreview is based in London,UK which means that this usage may not be governed by US law. The UK has a similar concept of fair dealing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_dealing_in_United_Kingdom_law#Criticism_or_review
Well done for being consistent and defending your rights. This is a perfect example of why a free internet is troubling some corporate heads and the ways in which they try to manipulate the general public.
I got used to taking as gospel everything that dpreview said, forgetting that at the end of the day big money can end up corrupting good will. It’s only when I noticed at the bottom of the amazon page, links to various (assumingly independent) review sites that I started looking more into it and also found this article.
I think it’s also important to mention that this is not the first time that I’m having issues with dpreview. A while ago I got banned from the forums on dpreview for expressing my opinion about Canon products. And in fact, this happens quite often as you will find out if you do a bit of research on the Internet. If you’ve also been banned or know of people being banned on dpreview.com, leave a comment on this post below.
Not only are people getting banned for expressing their opinion on dpreview.com, but entire threads with discussions containing certain information are often also deleted from their forums. When I got banned, the threads where I was discussing issues with Canon (equipment) and expressing my criticism got deleted as well. If you want some examples of deleted threads, just check out these links where there’s some discussion about deleted threads with saved copies so you can see what was being discussed: Link 1, Link 2.
What this looks like to me is editorial bias. It almost looks like criticism about Canon (products) isn’t tolerated at dpreview (and perhaps other manufacturers too). One commenter on my blog had the following to say:
And from here:
I think that everyone should be allowed to give their opinion on things, even if you don’t agree with them. If you have a look at the comments on some of the posts here on my blog, especially the ones where I discuss Canon (products), you’ll see very harsh and perhaps even insulting comments being made towards me and my opinions. Do I delete them? No. I allow all comments and opinions. Other readers should be able to see those comments too and then make up their own minds.