Comments on: Google: Don’t be evil…to whom? http://blog.kareldonk.com/google-dont-be-evilto-whom/ Software Engineer, Designer and Photographer in Suriname Tue, 15 May 2012 08:10:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Karel Donk’s Blog » Blog Archive » On Google VS China: Why Google is now suddenly against censorship in China http://blog.kareldonk.com/google-dont-be-evilto-whom/#comment-3237 Karel Donk’s Blog » Blog Archive » On Google VS China: Why Google is now suddenly against censorship in China Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:48:14 +0000 http://blog.kareldonk.com/google-dont-be-evilto-whom/#comment-3237 [...] to assist the Chinese government with censoring information on the Internet back in 2006, I wrote a post where I discussed the hypocrisy of the situation. In that post I wrote the following: Similarly, Google thinks, and/or would like us to think, that [...] [...] to assist the Chinese government with censoring information on the Internet back in 2006, I wrote a post where I discussed the hypocrisy of the situation. In that post I wrote the following: Similarly, Google thinks, and/or would like us to think, that [...]

]]> By: Karel Donk » Archive » Does Google really regret censoring information in China? http://blog.kareldonk.com/google-dont-be-evilto-whom/#comment-1317 Karel Donk » Archive » Does Google really regret censoring information in China? Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:21:25 +0000 http://blog.kareldonk.com/google-dont-be-evilto-whom/#comment-1317 [...] A year ago I wrote about Google’s hypocritical decision to help the Chinese government with censoring information in China. There was no doubt that this decision was made based on pure business reasons. They sold themselves out to the Chinese government expecting to be able to gain (more) access to the big market in China, even against their own principles. A quote from my previous post: Don?t be evil? Sure, but everyone forgot to ask the important question. Don?t be evil to whom exactly? It appears the answer is: ?To our shareholders.��? Just like I wrote before about Microsoft, Google is now a corporation, and they are going to have to keep shareholders happy. That stock price has got to keep going up! Doing anything to make shareholders upset is suicide. [...] [...] A year ago I wrote about Google’s hypocritical decision to help the Chinese government with censoring information in China. There was no doubt that this decision was made based on pure business reasons. They sold themselves out to the Chinese government expecting to be able to gain (more) access to the big market in China, even against their own principles. A quote from my previous post: Don?t be evil? Sure, but everyone forgot to ask the important question. Don?t be evil to whom exactly? It appears the answer is: ?To our shareholders.��? Just like I wrote before about Microsoft, Google is now a corporation, and they are going to have to keep shareholders happy. That stock price has got to keep going up! Doing anything to make shareholders upset is suicide. [...]

]]> By: Karel Donk » Archive » Google ‘in bed’ with CIA http://blog.kareldonk.com/google-dont-be-evilto-whom/#comment-1132 Karel Donk » Archive » Google ‘in bed’ with CIA Thu, 02 Nov 2006 01:01:42 +0000 http://blog.kareldonk.com/google-dont-be-evilto-whom/#comment-1132 [...] First of all, notice how Google is trying to talk their way out of this and trying to make it sound like they are doing something good. Please read my previous post on this topic for more. Google’s hypocrisy seems to have no limits. “Do no evil” indeed. I had hoped before that they would see what mistake they are making, but it seems the people actually in control at Google don’t feel like listening to Brin. [...] [...] First of all, notice how Google is trying to talk their way out of this and trying to make it sound like they are doing something good. Please read my previous post on this topic for more. Google’s hypocrisy seems to have no limits. “Do no evil” indeed. I had hoped before that they would see what mistake they are making, but it seems the people actually in control at Google don’t feel like listening to Brin. [...]

]]> By: Karel Donk » Archive » You are losing your privacy on the Internet http://blog.kareldonk.com/google-dont-be-evilto-whom/#comment-1122 Karel Donk » Archive » You are losing your privacy on the Internet Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:37:08 +0000 http://blog.kareldonk.com/google-dont-be-evilto-whom/#comment-1122 [...] See that? You can bet your life on the fact that if they have to, they’ll take this crackdown of amateur online films to YouTube and Google Video. And just like Google has shown in the past, they will obey the Chinese government, willingly assist them with censorship, and take down the content. And again, not only Google has done this in the past, but also Microsoft and Yahoo. And it’s not just the Chinese government that can do this, but we’ve recently also seen the US government and Brazilian government demanding private user information from these corporations. [...] [...] See that? You can bet your life on the fact that if they have to, they’ll take this crackdown of amateur online films to YouTube and Google Video. And just like Google has shown in the past, they will obey the Chinese government, willingly assist them with censorship, and take down the content. And again, not only Google has done this in the past, but also Microsoft and Yahoo. And it’s not just the Chinese government that can do this, but we’ve recently also seen the US government and Brazilian government demanding private user information from these corporations. [...]

]]> By: Adrian http://blog.kareldonk.com/google-dont-be-evilto-whom/#comment-441 Adrian Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:46:24 +0000 http://blog.kareldonk.com/google-dont-be-evilto-whom/#comment-441 Very strange and I believe pointless. I support Google on this one. People need the service that they provide and we don't know what will be censored. I presume that most of information found on Google will still be available. So maybe a few people who know something about the internet and might find out what proxy are all about and anonymous navigation. Any one can do this and no more censor. Chinese government might feel confident that they solved a problem. In reality they lose, just because they are idiots (like some other governments in the world) and don't realise that they can't stop information. I believe that public information on the internet will never be stopped or censored. There are a lot of methods to hide your traffic or simple use some kind of encryption so you can't be detected. It might be easier for the Chinese government to remove all internet from there country. :wink: There are a lot of thins I do not know about Google or Chinese government, but I believe nobody can stop information. One way or another there will be someone who knows something and tells another with or without Google. Very strange and I believe pointless.

I support Google on this one. People need the service that they provide and we don’t know what will be censored. I presume that most of information found on Google will still be available. So maybe a few people who know something about the internet and might find out what proxy are all about and anonymous navigation. Any one can do this and no more censor.

Chinese government might feel confident that they solved a problem. In reality they lose, just because they are idiots (like some other governments in the world) and don’t realise that they can’t stop information.

I believe that public information on the internet will never be stopped or censored. There are a lot of methods to hide your traffic or simple use some kind of encryption so you can’t be detected. It might be easier for the Chinese government to remove all internet from there country. :wink:

There are a lot of thins I do not know about Google or Chinese government, but I believe nobody can stop information. One way or another there will be someone who knows something and tells another with or without Google.

]]> By: Brad http://blog.kareldonk.com/google-dont-be-evilto-whom/#comment-308 Brad Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:14:53 +0000 http://blog.kareldonk.com/google-dont-be-evilto-whom/#comment-308 This is spot on criticism of Google's rationalization. If you slow the thought process down and look closely like this, it is truly disgusting. Would some exec have been fired by his board if he had said "no" to implementing censorship on behalf of the PRC? Maybe he would have lost his job, but he could have saved his honor. This is spot on criticism of Google’s rationalization. If you slow the thought process down and look closely like this, it is truly disgusting. Would some exec have been fired by his board if he had said “no” to implementing censorship on behalf of the PRC? Maybe he would have lost his job, but he could have saved his honor.

]]> By: Noel Guinane http://blog.kareldonk.com/google-dont-be-evilto-whom/#comment-306 Noel Guinane Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:30:29 +0000 http://blog.kareldonk.com/google-dont-be-evilto-whom/#comment-306 It's like Google are afraid that in the stampede to the East, they'll be left in the dust. But when you are doing business, particularly with the Chinese who are very clever in business, you have to show a little backbone. And sometimes, heaven forbid, you have to refuse to do a deal that disagrees with your principles. Google, which prided itself on not censoring, are now willing to do so when it's convenient. Will it be convenient for them in the future to report the activities of their users to the various governments of the countries they do business in? Very well reasoned. I agree with you. It's an hypocrisy. Thank you for coming by our blog and giving us your point of view. It’s like Google are afraid that in the stampede to the East, they’ll be left in the dust. But when you are doing business, particularly with the Chinese who are very clever in business, you have to show a little backbone. And sometimes, heaven forbid, you have to refuse to do a deal that disagrees with your principles. Google, which prided itself on not censoring, are now willing to do so when it’s convenient. Will it be convenient for them in the future to report the activities of their users to the various governments of the countries they do business in?

Very well reasoned. I agree with you. It’s an hypocrisy. Thank you for coming by our blog and giving us your point of view.

]]> By: Yassir http://blog.kareldonk.com/google-dont-be-evilto-whom/#comment-296 Yassir Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:38:21 +0000 http://blog.kareldonk.com/google-dont-be-evilto-whom/#comment-296 Excellent post worty of being quoted. The example with Alex/Rob is perfect..couldn't agree with you more. Excellent post worty of being quoted. The example with Alex/Rob is perfect..couldn’t agree with you more.

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